Aug 3, 2008, By Wayne Hanson
On Thursday the Empire Center for New York State Policy launched a Web site that reveals everything financial about New York State government including:
The site SeeThroughNY.net may soon add local government financial data as well.
The Empire Center is a project of the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank, and the site is bound to be controversial as most public employees feel publishing their salaries by name is an invasion of privacy. However, the state's Freedom of Information Law states: "The people's right to know the process of governmental decision-making and to review the documents and statistics leading to determinations is basic to our society. Access to such information should not be thwarted by shrouding it with the cloak of secrecy or confidentiality. The Legislature therefore declares that government is the public's business and that the public, individually and collectively and represented by a free press, should have access to the records of government in accordance with the provisions of this article."
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To the idiot that writes that public employees should pay taxes too. WE DO!
Anyone that has a problem with my salary of 50,000. can choose to take my place working in a maximum security state prison. We have many open positions!I've seen - and continue - to see the abuse in salaries, both privately owned companies and state/civil service salaries. How can someone whose salary is 90K a year, earn another 40K - PER YEAR - in overtime? I thought "salaried" employees were exempt from getting overtime!
State employees are overpayed, private employees should not foot their benefits bill, and they should pay taxes like the rest of us. Or the structure should be brought to an end!
Unless the individual is in an elective position, I don't understand why it's necessary for the people to know the names associated with a particular salary in order to understand the government process.
In a prior job, my name and salary were released as part of an FOIA request. Next thing I knew, my name was in the statewide paper decrying my "abuse of public funding." At the time, I made only about $65K per year. Beyond the career repercussions, it was embarrassing. In my field of work, that salary is abominably low. So people who didn't know me were all over me for making too much money, and people who did were sniggering because I didn't demand more. That's the only kind of behavior I've ever seen from publishing FOIA data with personally identifiable information. Nothing helpful comes from it.I am in IL and they started publishing our salaries just recently and we feel violated but there is nothing we can do about it. So as many others - we deal with it the best way we can.
I agree with transparency and open government. We need to be open about what government does and how money is spent. I work hard, putting in long hours in my job for the government. I am not embarassed or impressed by my salary - the money is less than job offers I have had from the private sector, but I like working for the public good rather than working to make a profit.
I have now had the experience of acquaintances I barely know loudly proclaiming my salary at a party. If you want a well-run, efficient, low-cost government you need to attract good people to work for it -- do you really think this helps? Some of the suggestions from others for providing salaries by job titles, or for people above a certain level might be a good compromise.Is anyone else here as shocked at the amount of City employees, making over 150K a year. Taking a brief look at the MTA salaries, there are over 50 engineers and repairman who are making over 200K a year. Are you serious. Is that even defendable? how can they be taxing us average citizens who make less than 60K a year to pay for hundreds of train engineers/drivers that make over 200k a year.
this site is no longer accessable...what happened?
This is great. In New Hampshire, the Manchester Union Leader has been publishing State worker salaries for years. It is nice to now have the same openness here.
After review of some of the highest paid state employees there should be an across the board cut with graduating percentages for those making more than 100k. In my opinion there are state staff on the payroll that clearly don't warrant the high cost to the state. It seems to me that the Department of Health is extremely top heavy. I think the option has to be put on the table.
SeeThrough is going far beyond the letter and the spirit of the Freedom of Information Act.The Act specifies: 1) the process of governmental decision making, and 2) statistics leading to determinations. When my agency's policy makers (commissioners and directors) are deciding policies for my agency, they aren't the least bit interested in my particular salary by name. When it comes to financial data, all they care about is the aggregate: do they have enough money in this year's budget to accomplish their mission. Ask any Human Resources Mangagement staff in any government agency anywhere, whether they are allowed to give out everyone's personal salaries to any anonymous person who phones in.
The agenda behind this and other privacy-invasive laws is to accustom the populace to less and less confidentiality for their private affairs. This movement has a ratchet effect - think about it: have there been any laws passed in the past decade or so that allow citizens greater privacy in their personal affairs? On the contrary, it has become progressively more difficult to maintain a sphere of privacy. It's public employees' privacy that is at risk now, but private-sector people will not always be safe from such intrusions.
My state wouldn't publish rank and file employees' salaries, because they're so low the employees would be embarrassed, and it might stir an open discussion ending in more equitable wages. Incidently, regarding a comment about making others such as the feds, the military .... Actually, military salaries, rank/years service, etc. are all public record and have been from the beginning.
And now there's a hiring freeze! Any state position vacated cannot be filled by a state worker - saving the salary must really help the budget! That position gets filled by a political appointee who earns TWICE what the state worker would have received. Is anyone publishing how many political appointees have recently been added? And how much they are being paid? It's not only mindboggling, but budget-busting!! Go Paterson!
That's an interesting take on privacy issues. Since my tax money also pays for food stamps, welfare, etc., I think the names and amounts of everyone receiving any kind of government assistance should be published as well. I want to know who I am supporting. I also want to know how they spend their money since, it's actually my money and I have a right to know, so let's publish exactly what they spend the money on as well.
While I do not agree with the action in practice (because I do work for the State), I agree in principle. I also feel that if the sponsoring parties were truly motivated by the public's right to know, they would also publish the salaries of every employee of every company who benefits directly from a government subsidy, tax break, grant, procurement, etc... as these companies are using public funds to profit and grow.
I am a NYS employee [originally from private industry] who makes about 15K less than market [based on my knowledge and experience]. It is unfortunate that SeeThroughNY.net visitors will not have that information.
Let's take this HIGHER, and grab the US Government civilian employees also. THEN, the military. THEN...... I mean, might as well blast EVERYBODY'S salary out there. I know I earn my paycheck since I have no "slacker clause" built iinto my job responsibilities.
I can't believe that our salaries have to be public knowledge by our names. It is not necessary for everyone I know to be privy to my paycheck. I agree by title or grade but not by name. We are private people just like anyone else. With our names out there and where we work we have the ability of being a target for a number of scams. Thank you State of New York for again giving us just the kick we need to want to keep coming to work everyday. I also agree we should know exactly who everyone receiving any state or county aid is. What ever happen to the privacy of information act.
Som Karamchetty, PHD - Who are your consumers of your products and services? I'd like to know so, I too can be a consumer of your product and services so I can "feel" entitled to know how much you make and how well your supervisor thinks you perform. Yes, people have a right to know the aggregate of government spending, or an actual salary paid for a given title, related to a service function so that they be able to be able decide whether or not a given government service is worth the expenditure but names to a salary. No benefit can be derived from that knowledge as it relates to those who "are affected by the processes" performed by the government. BTW I can't wait for the problems facing me because my name is there -- like credit fraud and stolen identity (with a name, employer name and a salary - one has only to look up an address in the phone book to apply for a loan in that name) or issues related to the erroneous reporting of an hourly rate credited to my name just for starter. So Som Karamchetty, PHD, if you please, as your consumer, can I have your salary and your performance appraisals? I might be in need of loan to get me of my stolen identity woes...
That's an interesting take on privacy issues. Since my tax money also pays for food stamps, welfare, etc., I think the names and amounts of everyone receiving any kind of government assistance should be published as well. I want to know who I am supporting. I also want to know how they spend their money since, it's actually my money and I have a right to know, so let's publish exactly what they spend the money on as well.
"Government employees' performance standards, performance appraisals, and their respective supervisor's names should also be available to citizens because the latter are paying with their taxes; are the consumers of their products and services; and are affected by the processes." Are these types of employee information available to shareholders of publicly-held corporations for the employees of those corporations? somehow, I doubt it. You seek to eliminate for public-sector employees a measure of privacy that private-sector workers take for granted -- and, in so doing, create one more disincentive for public service. Congratulations.
This is perhaps a good first step. Government employees' performance standards, performance appraisals, and their respective supervisor's names should also be available to citizens because the latter are paying with their taxes; are the consumers of their products and services; and are affected by the processes.
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