Thomas Richardson is a battalion chief for the Seattle Fire Department, and Washington Task Force 1 Urban Search and Rescue Task Force leader. He was recently deployed to the site of the massive mudslide near Oso, Wash., on a recovery mission where at least 42 people were killed. He has previously been deployed to missions during Hurricane Katrina, 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings. He took time to discuss lessons learned from the mudslide. This interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Emergency Management: What did you see when you got to the scene?

Thomas Richardson: Eight hundred acres of landslide. The mountain had come down and had taken out a good chunk of [State Route] 530 and with the flooding had spread out more than a couple of miles because it had blocked the river and backed things up — a little bit of housing debris on the outskirts of it but really just a mountain, dirt, water and broken trees was what was visible.

EM: Did anything surprise you about what you saw?

TR: Honestly there were no surprises. We knew we were on a recovery mission. We were not deployed until Monday night and Tuesday morning [the mudslide occurred Saturday, March 22] and given the conditions — freezing rain and pretty bad conditions — we expected we were just going to be there for a recovery. I’ve been deployed to Oklahoma City, the World Trade Center and Hurricane Katrina, so it’s not a big surprise.

EM: What were the difficulties in this effort compared to others?

TR: The main challenge was the scale of the site. Think about 9/11: That was around 16 acres and it took them more than six months to get to native soil, down to the foundation of the World Trade Center. They were dealing with a couple of 110-by-110-[story, 10 million]-square-foot buildings; we were dealing with 800 acres. A vastly larger scale with a small number of people we were looking for.

It turned out that we were able to recover a little more than 95 percent of the remains — not too bad considering the problem. 

EM: What do you take away from this effort?

TR: If you’re ever going to search a landslide or an avalanche, search the leading edge. People were not found where they live. They were found half a mile-plus away from where their houses used to be. Apparently landslides tend to push people toward the leading edge.

The second thing would be to do really good documentations of your finds because you can put together a picture; once you’ve found enough, you can start creating trajectories. We ended up creating trajectories based on where people used to be and where they were found. That allowed us to focus our efforts on our search so that we weren’t having to search the entire site and were being successful within a couple of weeks, where my original projection was, “We’re going to be here for months to years if you really want us to dig out all the bodies, and it’s going to cost a billion dollars.” It didn’t cost quite that much and didn’t take that much time.

GPS is critical. Using devices where you can connect data points and put that together with bodies so that you have an understanding of where you’re looking, where you need to look and you can plan your future searches. We incorporated volunteers as a base instruction from the local incident management team. That was, in part, because they couldn’t keep them away, but in the end it was a really good thing. The volunteers were critical in the success of the mission.

There were hundreds of volunteers out there and many of them worked for CERTs [Community Emergency Response Teams]. They found and helped recover a significant number of the remains, and it was volunteers who brought in dump trucks and heavy equipment. Usually our task forces come in with relatively small hand tools to do a rescue of a structural collapse. We’re not really set up to do a large 800-acre site search. We really needed the heavy equipment and that was provided by volunteers.

Really a success story of this evolution was that we not only incorporated the civilians into our response but of the hundreds of civilians there was just one problem with one person who was posting stuff online and that was quickly resolved.

There are independent activities going on where firefighters prepare for disasters and civilians prepare for disasters, but rarely do we actually tie the civilians in with the training of the firefighters. We have CERTs in Seattle and around the state, but very frequently you’ll find that firefighters are not expecting them to be a participant. Even in my department there’s no master plan in our policy and operating guideline on how we’re going to use CERTs. We need a better incorporation of them, officially, into our plans and so that we can, among other things, take the civilians and trust them not only with doing the work but with the intelligence.

We ultimately got trajectory maps, but people were really possessive of those maps and concerned that if they got released to the public what would be the political ramifications of a map showing body parts. We need to let go of that and recognize that there’s a grim reality to a disaster and either people are going to face those realities and be a part of the recovery or we’re going to exclude them. But I don’t think it’s appropriate to exclude them and therefore we need to incorporate them in our intelligence.

EM: Did it slow the response down to try to coordinate all the volunteers?

TR: Not at all. Mostly we ended up the recipient of volunteers and were told to use them, but they didn’t really report to us. We need to do a better job of putting them officially in our briefings and including them in our overall plans so they understand.

As it was, I had to go tell people out in the field what they could have gotten in a briefing. You get a lot more buy-in if somebody understands: “We’re finding all the bodies here. I know that Steelhead Drive used to be over there, but that’s not where the people are and here’s why we believe we’re searching in the right place.”

We were actually not supposed to release that information, but in the end you’re either a responder or you’re not, so we treated all responders the same. Just because you’re a civilian doesn’t mean you don’t have the capability of dealing with exposure to traumatic events. Responders are just people who happen to have a job, and yes, we have some training but we’re really not any more equipped to deal with that stuff than Joe Civilian. We’ve dealt with it before, but we need to realize that if people are stepping up to the plate and they understand the difficulties of the mission, we have to just trust that they can be a part of it.

We also need to do a better job of incorporating modern technology into our responses. Specifically we need to start to see official applications coming out where a person can report needs and impacts of the disasters so it can be tabulated automatically whether the person is in need of power, food or water, or their house is destroyed. We can help people report that stuff, and with an app we could incorporate volunteers more efficiently by allowing people to volunteer their resources by saying, “I have an excavator or a shovel and a strong back or a house where I can provide shelter.”

Then as emergency managers we can connect the dots between the needs and the capabilities. But right now we kind of exclude them and frequently, not in this case, but the government response is promising to take care of everything without the capabilities.

There were also many things that needed to be addressed by the incident management team. There was a road that needed to be addressed; upstream flooding; hazardous materials; debris and personal belongings; people were displaced. There were many things that needed to be addressed other than the missing victims, but they were never incorporated in the incident action plan. We need to do a better job of looking at the big picture and beyond just the first few victims. We relied on the volunteers. If we had waited on the incident command system to supply us all the resources, we would have been waiting a much longer time.

This story was originally published by Emergency Management

Jim McKay  |  Contributing Editor

Jim McKay is the editor of Emergency Management magazine. He lives in Orangevale, Calif., with his wife, Christie, daughter, Ellie and son, Ronan. He relaxes by fly fishing on the Truckee River for big, wild trout.